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[Cannerus_The_Unbearable]

Shock +3. Ouch. Non-Genma summoners won't be happy about that.

[Sallust de la Iglesia]

Damn! didn't expect this one to be spoiled so fast. At this rate Saga III will be spoiled in a matter of months XD

If that is true then all of Saga 3 will be released in a matter of months which I have a hard time believing. Most of the guys I have to spoil aren't summer releases because they already had the models for them. Al-Djinn, Arkham, and Legacy were the only 3 I saw with cards who didn't have models on display (or for sale).

Anyway, now you see as I already stated, between the releases for a certain month it wasn't Arkham or the Raziel the most interesting but this guy   Tactical possibilities are infinite and the fact is a Dark summon means is available to any Organization thanks to Bellith.

I don't know, Raziel with his finger claws is going to change up ranged combat quite a bit. Arkham might not have as many possibilities but his "Soul Scavenger" ability made my draw drop. Of course now I'm just dropping hints, but I intend to drop a big proper right up for Black Sun tonight. For those who can't wait, there is a bit of Raziel's model in the top left of the picture for Arias Vayu on my blog. Tonight when I get back from Sakura con I'm going to do a very nice blog entry to introduce the first five models of Black Sun.

P.S. - if anyone accuses me of hiding anything, I'm not. I want to give each model some proper time in the sun and also there are others at Sakuracon (like Ape2020) who might want the chance to be the first to show off an official model paint job or reveal stats. I want to give anyone at Sakuracon a fair chance.

[Kagami, The Renegade]

If that is true then all of Saga 3 will be released in a matter of months which I have a hard time believing.

Of course it was a way to speak. But keep in mind in little more than a month about eight upcoming releases for the next months have been spoiled and now you come with more. That's why I stated "at this rate" and added a laughting emoticon to make clear I was kidding

I don't know, Raziel with his finger claws is going to change up ranged combat quite a bit. Arkham might not have as many possibilities but his "Soul Scavenger" ability made my draw drop.

"Soul Scavenger" is really cool if it works. That's the downside of effects, require the target not to pass the check. That's risky because Arkham's recharge rate really hurts with such short ranged and costly abilities. And Raziels maybe interesting with their options and experience tells they are the main battlehorse of Black Sun's lists focused on undead... but let's face it, the abilities to nullify gnosis, copy characters or create agents are by far really impressive, offering lots of interesting options. IMHO my statement was quite right.

[Ape2020]

P.S. - if anyone accuses me of hiding anything, I'm not. I want to give each model some proper time in the sun and also there are others at Sakuracon (like Ape2020) who might want the chance to be the first to show off an official model paint job or reveal stats. I want to give anyone at Sakuracon a fair chance.

Well go for it, as I was tired and really didn't look to closely (but enough to see Arkham is going to make some jaws drop for a mystic),  or take pictures.  I will mention Ligori was also on sale there, but I had to get Macbeth and Iosara and even that was going over my budget for the day.     

I will also add they had some great models there for Soda Pop miniatures that CS is also pimping, including one I thought would  be perfect sub for the Legacy w Valeria (seeing there might be some small bad news about that model).  I'm very tempted even at $50 a pop!

-ape2020

[Sallust de la Iglesia]

hum sorry I Can't verify the sentence about the abilities of the higher version. it's not only the level  of the abilities who are changing.

That would be because in addition to having 16 life, the Great Al-Djinn also has 2 bind points and a stability of 7.

Truncation of Fate on the Greater Al-Djinn prevents level 50 and below models from using Gnosis (That is really going to hurt!)

Absolute Change becomes usable on level 60 and below models, which still means you're not going to be copying any leader models I can think of off the top of my head.

Ash Slave becomes good for level 25 agents.

I see a lot of interesting strategies and counter strategies developing for this guy!

[Hiro]

Your forgetting XII (60) and Yuri(55). 2 leaders who can be copied. Thats crazy.

[Zeru]

Any idea how much the greater version costs Sallust? Oh, and you will want to update your OP with he new info. 

The Greater version is a pretty large upgrade, lasts longer, higher level effects, and more LP.

Personally, I think the negation of Gnosis on level 50 or less characters is incredibly crippling for the opposing team.

TBH, this thing is probably one of the most powerful characters in this game, with only the 70+ characters matching them. It completely outclasses every other summon except in very specific situations, and makes your opponents best characters their greatest threat.

A Dark team with 3 XII's and Genma keeping the clones around + support sounds disastrous to me, I'd say this thing jumps past the borderline broken line that Dinah has been sitting on.

The best option I can think of is focus firing one of them down and simply hoping the Shock roll causes a cascading failure that either kills the Summoner, or in Genma's case, several damages the other summon.

[Ape2020]

If I remember right it was 50 lvls and remember that Stability check of 7 also means your likely to keep it around for more then the three turns.  Not only is this thing copying but, it could very likely have more LP then the copy and in some cases better Regen then some. 

-ape2020

[Sallust de la Iglesia]

It can't have more HP than what it copied. It keeps its current HP, but the Max HP does change. So in fact your Al-Djinn can lose HP if he copies something with less HP. If he copies Konosuke undamaged he will still only have 16 of 25 HP. If he copies a model immediately after coming on board he is going to start with less AP than that model does.

So here are the disadvantages. One the copy is still a summon and has limited time on the board. Second, he has no advantage cards as summons can't have them so plots and items don't copy over. Third, most models picked in a team are based on synergy which the Al-Djinn can't have if he is copying enemy models only his own models. It becomes extra situational.

Iosara stealing the Absolute Change ability? Potentially terrifying....

What I do think borders on broken is the ability to copy leader models. Leaders are only balanced by the extra victory points they're worth. I'd really like to see that leaders can't be copied.

[Mroq]

I'm thinking more about copying Astraega and throwing immortality on, say, Feng Yi, so she can perform her combo not fearing revenge.

[Fallecs]

I'd be scared about a samael team.

Dinah @ 65
Genma @ 30
  3 x Al-Djinn @ 45 (Assuming greaters are 50)
Janiel @ 35
Akio @ 30

With Dinah using blessing, and each Al-Djinn having 2-3 Samael agents with reduced magic beam (+1/+1 as well if org bonus counts for cost, which I doubt).  Then one or two of them copying Janiel's form. Spam The Mark of Einjeil.

You could then have 6,7 or 8 agents throwing out 7/4 magic beams each turn.

Sure the agents are weak, but I assume they all have their own activation.  7/4 is nothing to shrug off. The enemy will be dodging. They won't have a lot of ap to attack with.

It would take a while to set up, but terrifying if it worked.

[Kagami, The Renegade]

and each Al-Djinn having 2-3 Samael agents

Soon you'll realise that for a Djinn to try keep one ash slave is fine but two starts to be risky and three lets him severely crippled. A Djinn that tries to mantain 3 agents is a defenseless target for flying units.

Also your lists is gonna suffer a lot of pain. Not a single warrior and it has a very low start; not to mention all your suppositions are based in the most optimun conditions, which thing is not going to happen. That list would/will crumble against any solid list.     

[Zeru]

I'd sooner use the Empire Agents, as they at least make decent road-blocks, and have a high base damage, but that list is still entirely too light on front-line fighters.

[Hiro]

Anyone with speed would mess that list up quite a bit. Especially Wiss with its nasty combo of Advance Deployment and abundant 12/16 fighters.

[Fallecs]

Sure it wouldn't work in a competitive nature, I wasn't suggesting it would. It would just be a fun list to pull off if you could, and maximize ranged attacks.

Flying characters could be stopped by simply giving a samael agent flying and putting it near the Djin since agents don't have to be predetermined.  If the flying unit charged its then going to be caught in a lot of fire. 

Setting it all up would take a few turns, so of course a fast team would annihilate it. 

Even six agents, 3 empire, 3 samael/wiss, would be able to tie up warriors for a turn or so, with an abundance of intercepts and completely outnumbering the opponent with activations.  Damage resistant creatures and high armoured units would be a problem, but others would be in trouble.