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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2011, 01:23:26 PM »

It's definitely a translator's mistake. The section on special and innate abilities makes it clear which are which. Because really, it's not as if AT is on the level of Warmachine when it comes to the clarity of the rules and consistency of the terminology, so no need to go full RAW and start nitpicking at every oversight (and I repeat - this is CLEARLY an oversight on either the translator's or the rules writer's part).
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2011, 01:40:57 PM »

However, it's not really that clear. Because I could see the ability, it's self, going either way as well. So, it's hard to place where the semantic error lies exactly.
That's why I'd like a more official word on this. It could easily go either way, with both ways being quite viable.
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« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2011, 11:32:27 AM »

To my understanding the term special ability is some times used in the Anima texts as a general reference to any ability. This is, of course, at odds with what is said about special vs innate abilities on page 11 of the rulebook. Since the types are very clearly defined on page 11 the way Aizen's ability functions is seems fairly clear to me. It makes little sense to say here is the definition in black and white except they are all basically of both types even though that is contradictory to their most cut and dried basic definitions.

Since Anima isn't developed in English it is pretty much impossible for it to function at the level of precision as any game that is developed in English in that language. The Spanish takes precedence. All English translations are run by the developers, but there tends to be some amount of confusion inherent in any undertaking of this kind. I think we have all experienced how different two people's interpretation of writing in their native language can be. When you add in translation and editing then the situation gets really complicated.

At the end of the day it somewhat comes down to what you and your opponent think is fair and can agree on.
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« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2011, 12:52:00 PM »

We would need to see the Spanish wording basically, to tell if the English translation is erroneous or not. Any Spanish players who want to chip in?
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« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2011, 02:39:09 PM »

Problem is, we still haven't seen Aizen's card in Spanish yet...
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« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2011, 08:36:05 AM »

I have Aizen in spanish, and:
"Durante la fase de mantenimiento Aizen puede intercambiar sus habilidades por las de cualquier unidad que haya destruido, Ak inicio de cada fase subsiguiente, Aizen debe decidir si conserva sus nuevas habilidades o vuelve a las suyas propias"

Habilities, not special habilities
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« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2011, 10:04:13 AM »

I have Aizen in spanish, and:
"Durante la fase de mantenimiento Aizen puede intercambiar sus habilidades por las de cualquier unidad que haya destruido, Ak inicio de cada fase subsiguiente, Aizen debe decidir si conserva sus nuevas habilidades o vuelve a las suyas propias"

Habilities, not special habilities
So does that mean he loses his innate and arbiter abilities too in exchange for those of the other guy?
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« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2011, 10:30:49 AM »

So does that mean he loses his innate and arbiter abilities too in exchange for those of the other guy?

Yes, that has been why this ability is not very tempting since his own stuff is so much better.  Though now it seems like he does pick up things like both innate abilites and special skills.  Its still debatable as it looks like the Spanish card still uses some rather murky wording as well.

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« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2011, 10:47:57 AM »

It probably will remain a matter of discussion until AS says the final word on it.
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« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2011, 10:16:02 AM »

Well using basic logic, if he replace his initiate abilities with other character he will loose his Stealing Shadows so he will be stuck. Ergo only special abilities/abilities you need pay energy to use.
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« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2011, 10:44:09 AM »

Well using basic logic, if he replace his initiate abilities with other character he will loose his Stealing Shadows so he will be stuck. Ergo only special abilities/abilities you need pay energy to use.

Except that the Stealing Shadows ability also says "At the beginning of subsequent upkeep phases, Aizen can continue to have the special abilities of the dead character or can revert to his own special abilities" which means there's an effect in place once he uses that special ability that persists into the future.
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