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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2011, 11:46:44 AM » |
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Roemo i s the Dosen os Lught... kalis, thats why he got 80 Elan os Azrael and Michael.
They are NPCs, it is normal that they as unique and special NPCs got something that anyone could have.
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2011, 12:47:28 PM » |
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So whatever if they are cheating? They're NPCs, they don't need to follow all the rules as long as it works with their backstory.
Roemo i s the Dosen os Lught... kalis, thats why he got 80 Elan os Azrael and Michael.
They are NPCs, it is normal that they as unique and special NPCs got something that anyone could have.
See, my thing is that I see the PC's as being the unique and special ones while NPC's are just window dressing for their adventure. Also, I saw a release of official npc stats as a way for them to show off how to build the npc's using the mechanics given in the books, not lame ignoring of the rules to make sure people realize that Gaia npc means better than your character. I don't mind the ones that actually outline the effects of whatever special level mod template they have(like XII or Ophiel). But if Romeo has a special thing that allows dual synchronization, that should be mentioned in the template outline as well. And the stuff like techniques costing no mk or problems with too many dp in primary is also bothersome. Amusingly enough the gm in the game where I play(as opposed to the one I gm) said that it means that once we get to around level 7, we can do cheating of our own, because our characters are special too. Of course he said that it means that his powerful npc's can do it to, so it is a bit of a mixed blessing. 
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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2011, 01:09:31 PM » |
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I don't mind the ones that actually outline the effects of whatever special level mod template they have(like XII or Ophiel). But if Romeo has a special thing that allows dual synchronization, that should be mentioned in the template outline as well.
I'm pretty sure that is what "Chosen of the Light" is meant to indicate. It is listed alongside his Elan abilities, though admittedly, the ability itself fails to note his Elan as an exception. Fluff wise, it makes perfect sense though.
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2011, 01:15:55 PM » |
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Zeru told you where is the ability that you have not see. Maybe the ability of Romeo appears (i mean, the requisite to have it) in the Book of Between Light and Darkness... Kalis, your PC can have level adjusment too, giving 200 PDs or example, but this is just your choice, not mine. LONG time before this official NPCs stats appears, i have with 3 PC level adjustment. if a NPC can, the PC too, the only problem is if the GM wanna give to you that power. Remember that Alastor, Romeo and company are the top of Gaia (in human terms), it is normal that they got special and unique powers... Even in D&D powerfull human(or other kind) characters got special unique powers only accesible for them and not for players. If your mad with that, just dont use the offcial stats and go on 
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2011, 01:09:46 PM » |
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I think it would be nice to see official stats for Celia(full power and sealed preferably). Maybe Lemures too.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2011, 07:08:47 PM » |
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More interested in the various "Leaders" of each Organization: Knights's of the Seventh Heaven, Matthew Gaul + Arbiters, the Fallen Angels, and Kagami as well.
Clover is another really interesting one, I'd love to see what abilities he has for being a Superior Undead in the RPG.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2011, 12:12:57 AM » |
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I'd just build him using the 'Create Undead' spell from Necromancy, giving him creature powers etc.
But with a really good degree of success? ;-)
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2011, 07:45:50 AM » |
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More interested in the various "Leaders" of each Organization: Knights's of the Seventh Heaven, Matthew Gaul + Arbiters, the Fallen Angels, and Kagami as well.
Clover is another really interesting one, I'd love to see what abilities he has for being a Superior Undead in the RPG.
As you can see, AS just put one of each organization (leader or not leader). You can see too that they dont put NPCs with Ancient Blood. But yes, I prefer too see people with abilities that no one posses XD
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2011, 04:25:40 PM » |
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As you can see, AS just put one of each organization (leader or not leader).
You can see too that they dont put NPCs with Ancient Blood.
But yes, I prefer too see people with abilities that no one posses XD
AS put: 3 Empire, 2 Azur, 1 Church, 1 Wissenschaft, 1 Samael, 1 Selene and 1(2 if we count Nerelas) Wanderer. So no Black Sun character.  Edit: Figured out what was wrong with Griever's Combat score, he doesn't have Expert Trapping (that was a translation error), but instead it is Distinctive Weapon or Different Type (Weapon Module) in the english core book. He also has 10 less Wear Armor (should be 120 with his strength score + Weapon Master class bonus) and his combat DP comes out correct. That said, his Secondary Skills are still a complete mess.
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2011, 10:45:25 AM » |
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B) They have LESS MK then they should have on display, so even if they purchased MK, they aren't showing it, or they can't do so legally due to the % limit on Combat.
For example, Romeo shows 250 MK but in reality he has about 300+ MK spent.
Actually, there is a rule in Dominus Exxet that lets you do exactly this kind of thing
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2011, 11:50:36 AM » |
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Yeah, I finished absorbing it just the other day and noticed that as well. It seems a bit odd to have that on Romeo of all people, but it works for build purposes.
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2011, 09:48:44 AM » |
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That's a fantastic job, Zeru.
Now I have to wonder if they'll ever release Lucanor's stats. They would be impressive if using original rules, but under Core Exxet, he'd have over 1600 free skill points alone...
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2011, 10:37:23 AM » |
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Yeah, I finished absorbing it just the other day and noticed that as well. It seems a bit odd to have that on Romeo of all people, but it works for build purposes.
I recall AS once saying Romeo changed classes several times so nothing would really be out of place for him. On the other hand, several class changes would make it hard to check whether his DP spending is still correct or not. Then again, AS was never a fan of giving official NPC stats so people could make up their own and going by some of the reactions to the official stats, I understand why.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2011, 10:54:17 AM » |
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AS obviously ret-conned Romeo's class changes, as The Colonel and Yuri both have multiple classes, but Romeo is only a Warlock.
So far, I have no major complaints with official stats, other then how sloppy some of it is done, such as lower accumulation scores then their base Stats indicate and a chunk of DP missing from their secondary skills.
There is a similar consistency problem with several of the Premade Ki techniques in both the Core Book and Dominus Exxet.
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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2011, 04:57:21 AM » |
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Where are these stats from? Ah, and also: So whatever if they are cheating? They're NPCs, they don't need to follow all the rules as long as it works with their backstory.
Roemo i s the Dosen os Lught... kalis, thats why he got 80 Elan os Azrael and Michael.
They are NPCs, it is normal that they as unique and special NPCs got something that anyone could have.
See, my thing is that I see the PC's as being the unique and special ones while NPC's are just window dressing for their adventure. Also, I saw a release of official npc stats as a way for them to show off how to build the npc's using the mechanics given in the books, not lame ignoring of the rules to make sure people realize that Gaia npc means better than your character. I don't mind the ones that actually outline the effects of whatever special level mod template they have(like XII or Ophiel). But if Romeo has a special thing that allows dual synchronization, that should be mentioned in the template outline as well. And the stuff like techniques costing no mk or problems with too many dp in primary is also bothersome. Amusingly enough the gm in the game where I play(as opposed to the one I gm) said that it means that once we get to around level 7, we can do cheating of our own, because our characters are special too. Of course he said that it means that his powerful npc's can do it to, so it is a bit of a mixed blessing.  This. Having a quite solid ruleset like this, it's a shame to circumvent it while creating signature npcs. It gives the sensation of npcs being special snowflakes while the pcs are by default inferior.
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