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[alphawhelp]

It's not like Taos don't have a full list of options if you remove a single advanced martial art.  If Selene was never printed, you would have hardly noticed the difference.

[Lizbeth]

I don't like the idea itself. It is unreasinable and unjust, and the game is about fun, not about the "world is unjust thus women are inferior and have -4 Str/men are unferior and have one less ma and less useful pr as duk'zarist".

[Zeru]

Except almost none of that is really present within Anima.

Selene was developed by the aforementioned Organization, but that doesn't mean a similar martial art cannot be developed by a PC who knows Aikido and merely advances the art to the level that Selene is at. I believe this is even mentioned within the Martial Arts section itself.

And for the record, PhR is just as valuable as MR.

Nothing wrong with differentiating genders for flavor.

[planeswalker]

This was discussed before, to a very reasonable extent. If you wish to discuss it again, please do so in a separate thread (Gaïa would be an appropriate subforum) or drop the subject entirely. Thanks.

[Lizbeth]

Well, I suppose no one uses any RPG as it is, so I see no problem with lack of Selene org or paradis paradis island in my games as long as the players are ok with it.

Anyway, only these AT chars are given official stats or there are other Web Additions which I can try to decipher with google translate?

[planeswalker]

I think with the exception of that one supplement translations are up to date, so off the top of my head I'd say no.

[Lizbeth]

Selene was developed by the aforementioned Organization, but that doesn't mean a similar martial art cannot be developed by a PC who knows Aikido and merely advances the art to the level that Selene is at. I believe this is even mentioned within the Martial Arts section itself.

Sorry for necropost, but I just read Dominus Exxet. It states that in general MA cannot be learned from nothing and character have to find a tutor. If the tutor is Master then character can learn stated MA with an increased speed.

[Zeru]

In general is very different from always, and PC's are exceptional individuals. That said, it wouldn't be unheard of if a truly talented Martial Artist created his own style derived from the ones he learned from the others they know.

[Lizbeth]

That's why I say "in general" — there was no sidebar with a red sign "Thou shall never allow a male PC to learn Selene MA". However still it means that a player have to persuade/bribe with pizza/whatsoever the gm to have this stuff.
Also there is a great number of gms who are "hur hur hur this is an important piece of fluff so you have to go female to have it" and I don't feel that it's a great idea to fellate a gm so he will allow you to take the option game developers left for only one gender for some unknown reason.

[Tashiro]

I actually don't mind if NPCs break the rules.  While PCs may be 'the chosen ones', I never see them as the only 'chosen ones' of a setting.  (Or, to put it another way:  No matter how good you are, there's always someone better).  As it is, sure, the NPCs may 'tweak' the rules a bit - having abilities or techniques not seen anywhere else, but in a lot of RPGs, this happens to PCs as well - they pick up things not strictly covered by the rules or not strictly 'by the book'.  This is something that happens over the course of multiple adventures.  So, why not let the NPCs have a few cases of snowflake syndrome?  The PCs will probably get their own tweaks over time as well.

[Kalis]

Selene was developed by the aforementioned Organization, but that doesn't mean a similar martial art cannot be developed by a PC who knows Aikido and merely advances the art to the level that Selene is at. I believe this is even mentioned within the Martial Arts section itself.

Sorry for necropost, but I just read Dominus Exxet. It states that in general MA cannot be learned from nothing and character have to find a tutor. If the tutor is Master then character can learn stated MA with an increased speed.

But you have to able to create a MA from nothing. Otherwise no MA could ever be created. Lots of people in the past would have to have punch, grapple, kick and disarm with no boni at all. Then some talented individual creates the first style. Others, either independently or based on the original, create a style that more suits their physique and mind set. Many forms of martial art rise from there.

If it was truly impossible, then nobody would have any martial art.

[Light]

Except almost none of that is really present within Anima.

Selene was developed by the aforementioned Organization, but that doesn't mean a similar martial art cannot be developed by a PC who knows Aikido and merely advances the art to the level that Selene is at. I believe this is even mentioned within the Martial Arts section itself.

And for the record, PhR is just as valuable as MR.

Nothing wrong with differentiating genders for flavor.

Maybe a member of Selene fall in love with the PC and show him the art. Or she own you one and show you the art... theres a lot of way to get it... but with logic and the permison of the DM.

[Lizbeth]

But you have to able to create a MA from nothing. Otherwise no MA could ever be created. Lots of people in the past would have to have punch, grapple, kick and disarm with no boni at all. Then some talented individual creates the first style. Others, either independently or based on the original, create a style that more suits their physique and mind set. Many forms of martial art rise from there.

If it was truly impossible, then nobody would have any martial art.

Well, it reminds me abut the Ultima Online riddle "How the hell the first blacksmithing hammer was created if you need an ingot, a log and a blacksmithing hammer to create it". Anyway general assumption in this cases is that all this "need a tutor" stuff was created by some way-too-exceptional individual for a way-too-long-time. At the best. So this ends in that you have to be like Lv 14 and such, or you have to spend two decades of your life to create an MA from scratch. Or the GM can allow you to learn this MA as it is de facto ignoring the restriction per se.
Well, that's great but I'd prefer something less discriminative from the beginning.

Maybe a member of Selene fall in love with the PC and show him the art. Or she own you one and show you the art... theres a lot of way to get it... but with logic and the permison of the DM.

Well, sure thing you can bribe GM with pizza. But still as for now this is the only hard restricted chargen ability in the whole game. It reminds me about one story about how the 7th Sea was made...

[Light]

The ways i gave is 3 of the few ways to learn it.

[Lizbeth]

Still a player is forced to invent ways to have it. I see nothing bad in the system where the tutor is required. However I find bad that this particular requirement is gender restricted and even stated that inappropriate gender who manages to learn this stuff is hunted down.