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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2012, 11:58:15 AM » |
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Yes, and it is ridiculously broken because of it.
The zen level shield at level 10, is still a fairly decent defense at level 16(where your magic projection would be 315+dex bonus).
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2012, 12:53:52 PM » |
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Ok, and can it be mixed with defensive erudition?
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2012, 12:55:35 PM » |
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If yo ask me, the whole predetermined stuff, be it Dominion or Magic, is broken at the Zen level. It's bloody 440, ok in case of Wizards shield you can break it. And what about warlocks or dominion? You attack this with no chance to hit it and receive whooping counterattack. Stuff goes even worse with offensive stuff which just beats soul out of target unless it's some DR creature with tons of HP. Ok, and can it be mixed with defensive erudition?
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2012, 02:07:54 PM » |
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Ok, and can it be mixed with defensive erudition?
It can, but 440 is treated as the final result of the roll, so any bonuses are negated. |
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2012, 02:21:34 PM » |
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Ok, and can it be mixed with defensive erudition?
It can, but 440 is treated as the final result of the roll, so any bonuses are negated. Ah ok, thanks. So no 500. |
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2012, 05:23:10 AM » |
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Dominus Exxet: Predetermined 440 attack + force tecnique = 660 attack.
I have an NPC technician doing this in my campaign. Tecnique is calle The GodSlayer.
However, all of the Metamagic stuff EXCEPT predetermined projections NEED to be accumulated. Read the Quickened Spell where it explains it.
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2012, 05:55:05 AM » |
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force technique? never heard of that, what does it do? Normaly no penatly or bonus will be added to a predetermined attack/defense/projection.
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2012, 06:18:32 AM » |
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Its a ki ability that costs 20 mk. Basically it lets you pay double ki for a technique to raise all numbers by 50%. The reason it works is because it sets the number to 660 before being used.
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2012, 06:29:58 AM » |
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ah right, technique pushing, no wonder i didn't find anything. Thanks for reminding me  Yep thats pretty much the only thing that works. (totaly forgot it exists xD) |
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2012, 07:53:57 AM » |
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Dominus Exxet: Predetermined 440 attack + force tecnique = 660 attack.
I doubt it. Predetrmined result is said to be unmodifiable and final. |
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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2012, 09:51:46 AM » |
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Dominus Exxet: Predetermined 440 attack + force tecnique = 660 attack.
I doubt it. Predetrmined result is said to be unmodifiable and final. Thats true, however, technique pushing gives you the option to pay double for the technique to increase ALL number in it to 150%... so that 440 predetermined attack would become a 660 predetermined attack. (not a 440 predetermined attack + 220 - this wouldn't work) |
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2012, 12:47:37 PM » |
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I see no reason (beside some game-bending designed primarily for NPCs) why it should become predetermined 660.
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2012, 02:20:19 PM » |
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I see no reason (beside some game-bending designed primarily for NPCs) why it should become predetermined 660.
It still costs double ki. The costs far outweighs the bonus it gives. |
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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2012, 02:34:21 PM » |
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I see no reason (beside some game-bending designed primarily for NPCs) why it should become predetermined 660.
It still costs double ki. The costs far outweighs the bonus it gives. Yeah, cost is great and so. But you see, with proper planning you can enter the combat within one step of accumulation required. And by the way, regardless of whether this stuff works or not predermined 440 is broken. |
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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2012, 02:45:47 PM » |
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Lizbeth allready replied in a soothing manner.
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