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[Sharpandpointies]

Interesting. I can't wait to see it. It seems he isn't all powerful, merely ludicrously powerful. But as that I don't have the book yet I can't contribute much. One question: do spells with an MR check work on Omega? Cause if they do Sweep from the Heavens might help a bit.

They doooo...sort of.  Ridiculously high MR helps with that, as well as (depending on 'which' Omega they're fighting) the capacity to smack the spell out of the air.  Or simply eat the caster before he casts it... :D

Still, it does seem the sort of spell that would make Lucifer Omega wary (less-so the Lord of the Infinite).

[Lia Valenth]

Would an effect cast on the first form effect the second, if not why? I might have a plan 

[Zeru]

Considering Omega's saves are around 190 in both forms, any spell like that is extremely unlikely to stick.

Also, I don't believe any effects on Omega Lucifer would transfer over to Omega, The Lord of Infinity.

[Sharpandpointies]

Considering Omega's saves are around 190 in both forms, any spell like that is extremely unlikely to stick.

Also, I don't believe any effects on Omega Lucifer would transfer over to Omega, The Lord of Infinity.

That thought had occurred to me.  Say Lucifer gets killed while he has a gnosis of...let's go with 5.  He gets booted back to the Tower at the End (not dependant on his gnosis).

Does he then return with a Gnosis of 40?

I would guess yes.  If he does, good luck getting the spell on him again, because at that point he can just slap it out of the air in addition to his other defenses against it...

I could honestly see top-level 'normal' people hammering their way through Lucifer.  It's just that after Lucifer they have to deal with the Lord of the Infinite, and he's a whole new ball game.  Plus, they're going to be hurting.

[cultadium]

I'm not getting the book till thursday :/

[alphawhelp]

That thought had occurred to me.  Say Lucifer gets killed while he has a gnosis of...let's go with 5.  He gets booted back to the Tower at the End (not dependant on his gnosis).

What?  Where are you getting the opinion that Omega's Gnosis changes?  Omega just straight up has a Gnosis of 40 in both forms (his Shadow has 35, but that's not one of Omega's forms)

[alphawhelp]

Let's put it this way.  Can Nemesis beat Aeons?  Can he not only beat Aeons, but possibly the greatest of all Aeons, Rudraskha?

Because Omega?  Can.  He'll have to work, but yeah, he's going to take that match.

Actually, I just noticed something.  While I wouldn't call it impossible, the chances that Omega can defeat Rudrashka is extremely slim.  You need to be level 19 to even hurt Rudrashka with attacks, so The majority of Omega's damage (his bites and so on) will basically just harmlessly bounce off Rudrashka, maybe Omega might even break his teeth on him.

Meanwhile, Omega's immunity to damage consists soley of only being damaged by energy, which Rudrashka is in no short supply in.

In summary, Omega will have to use mainly auxillary powers to damage Rudrashka while Rudrashka can go full out balls to the wall against Omega fearing nothing from him.

And once Omega enters Lord of Infinity Mode (if he even does so, this is not actually guranteed) Rudrashka would kill him in 3 attacks, meanwhile Omega still cannot hurt Rudrashka.

[Lia Valenth]

Sweep from the Heavens, the Level 88 Destruction spell decreases an enemies Gnoses by 10-160 (and to affect Omega it would have to be at least -140 to his Gnoses, because it would need the MR 250+, placing Omega's Gnosis at 0) according to the base book, or 5-25 with the Core Exxet changes (needing the Arcane version for 260MR and decreasing his Gnosis to 15 [40-25]).

Thus if Lucifer Omega died with Gnosis 0 and (via the Level 60 Destruction spell Destroy Powers) no access to any supernatural abilities would Omega Lord of the Infinite have Gnoses 40 and access to supernatural abilities, or would he still be effected by the spells of the Wizard if they did not stop maintaining them?

[Sharpandpointies]

If he gets 'Swept from the Heavens' and his gnosis reduced to 5, then killed, if he comes back as Lord of the Infinite, he has essentially transformed into a new being - his 'definitive form'.  

I don't really see a problem with his Gnosis then shooting back up 40.  To really seal the deal, the spell needs to be maintained upon him.  And if he comes back as the Lord of the Infinite, it's not being maintained on 'Lucifer Omega' any more.  

Put another way, let's say Lucifer Omega gets hit with some kind of 'lasting' spell - say, a Slow spell.  He is then killed.  

When he pops back as Lord of the Infinite, after channelling his truly amazing amount of energy, becoming a new being, the 'final nightmare the world has never seen until now', is he still going to be slowed?  O_o

I would say not.  

Similarly, here.  Sweep from the Heavens is a vastly more potent spell, but it is in effect a spell that produces a change in him, one that must be maintained; he has since getting that spell cast upon him, 'died', been changed into a new being, and no longer remotely resembles the original target of the spell to boot.  

I figure such a spell either:

1.  Lapses upon his 'death' - the target is no more;
2.  Gets erased into the change into a 'different' self.  

Either way, that's how I'd call it.  ^_^  Milage may vary.

[Sharpandpointies]

Actually, I just noticed something.  While I wouldn't call it impossible, the chances that Omega can defeat Rudrashka is extremely slim.  You need to be level 19 to even hurt Rudrashka with attacks, so The majority of Omega's damage (his bites and so on) will basically just harmlessly bounce off Rudrashka, maybe Omega might even break his teeth on him.

Your attack needs to have 120 presence.

Omega uses Longinus - it has a Presence well over 120. 

Though you make some very good points otherwise.  Could be a closer fight than I thought.

[alphawhelp]

That's why I said the majority of Omega's attacks.  I didn't say Omega had no way to hurt him.

[Sharpandpointies]

Sweep from the Heavens, the Level 88 Destruction spell decreases an enemies Gnoses by 10-160 (and to affect Omega it would have to be at least -140 to his Gnoses, because it would need the MR 250+, placing Omega's Gnosis at 0) according to the base book, or 5-25 with the Core Exxet changes (needing the Arcane version for 260MR and decreasing his Gnosis to 15 [40-25]).

I'll note that even 260 MR isn't exactly a guarantee it'll work on Omega... :)

But chances would be good with that version.  He'd need a 70 or more to resist.

Thus if Lucifer Omega died with Gnosis 0 and (via the Level 60 Destruction spell Destroy Powers) no access to any supernatural abilities would Omega Lord of the Infinite have Gnoses 40 and access to supernatural abilities, or would he still be effected by the spells of the Wizard if they did not stop maintaining them?

We're kind of getting into a GM's judgement call here... :)

[alphawhelp]

as a GM I'd rule that if you reduce Omega's Gnosis to 0 (or even 15) and destroy all his powers and then kill him, it's basically a a foregone conclusion that the Lord of the Infinite will not make an appearance.  That doesn't mean Omega is gone for good, though, once you stop maintaining the spells he'll revive himself inside his prison again.

[Sharpandpointies]

That's why I said the majority of Omega's attacks.  I didn't say Omega had no way to hurt him.

Looking over Lucifer Omega, it seems likely he's going to be in trouble against the Lord of Storms.  

I'm not so sure with the Lord of the Infinite.  Not with the enormous amount of damage Omega causes, the fact that each of his hits has a chance of eating one of the Aeon's abilities and bestowing it upon Omega, and the fact that he's hitting the Lord of Storms at will with Longinus for something like 600 damage a shot without factoring in Ki abilities and the Aeon is at a 50 point deficit to actually hit back...at which point he's just starting to do damage and Omega regenerates.

If he wants to kill Omega in three attacks, he's going to need 100% damage on all three attacks against a guy who outskills him by 50 points.  Without Ki use.  Otherwise he's hitting him for a lot less, and Omega is busy regenerating.

Meanwhile, Omega is hitting for about 1500+ points per round.  Except where he's using a Ki power to triple one of those hits and pull off about 3000 points that round or so.  

Would be an interesting combat to play out, to be sure.  :)

[Sharpandpointies]

as a GM I'd rule that if you reduce Omega's Gnosis to 0 (or even 15) and destroy all his powers and then kill him, it's basically a a foregone conclusion that the Lord of the Infinite will not make an appearance.  That doesn't mean Omega is gone for good, though, once you stop maintaining the spells he'll revive himself inside his prison again.

That seems sensible.  :)