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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2011, 04:14:05 PM »

http://cipher-studios.com/AnimaBB/index.php?topic=5636.0

Her card was spoiled. Check the forums for several other characters that were spoiled. They will be in the Light, Neutral, and Dark threads.
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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2011, 05:20:21 PM »

Her preview is in the Light Faction subsection. Hiro beat me to it.  Tongue

Have to say I'm really considering picking up Grey now after realizing how much he synergizes with Marchosais and Xavier (who I already have) and Maria (who I'm also considering picking up).
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2011, 09:25:23 PM »

I woud like to correct a point about the Azur Alliance :

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The Al'djinn is also capable of producing Ash Slaves, which potentially make Kerberos quite useful if you create Azur Agents with it.
The Ash Slaves who copy the Azur Agent's stats don't gain the Attack +1 bonus from Kerberos. They are not real Agents, but "only" Ash Slaves.

That isn't how the ability reads, so I'd have to ask if there is an official ruling I missed somewhere?

The ability reads as if the Al-Djinn brings an Organization Agent of your choice into play.

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Put a level 20 agent of any organization into play within the Al-Djinn's control zone.

This would mean the Ash Slaves aren't merely copying an Agent's stats, they ARE those Agent's for the purpose of game play.

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The Ash slaves do make great Terminus bait I agree.
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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2011, 02:52:13 AM »

I woud like to correct a point about the Azur Alliance :

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The Al'djinn is also capable of producing Ash Slaves, which potentially make Kerberos quite useful if you create Azur Agents with it.
The Ash Slaves who copy the Azur Agent's stats don't gain the Attack +1 bonus from Kerberos. They are not real Agents, but "only" Ash Slaves.

That isn't how the ability reads, so I'd have to ask if there is an official ruling I missed somewhere?

The ability reads as if the Al-Djinn brings an Organization Agent of your choice into play.

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Put a level 20 agent of any organization into play within the Al-Djinn's control zone.

This would mean the Ash Slaves aren't merely copying an Agent's stats, they ARE those Agent's for the purpose of game play.

Humm, yes, I should have said it in my previous post, but it's an errata from the french forum. The Ashes Slaves don't gain benefit from Kerberos's ability, even if they take the Azur Agent's stats.
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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2011, 02:56:27 AM »

I woud like to correct a point about the Azur Alliance :

Quote from: Zeru
The Al'djinn is also capable of producing Ash Slaves, which potentially make Kerberos quite useful if you create Azur Agents with it.
The Ash Slaves who copy the Azur Agent's stats don't gain the Attack +1 bonus from Kerberos. They are not real Agents, but "only" Ash Slaves.

That isn't how the ability reads, so I'd have to ask if there is an official ruling I missed somewhere?

The ability reads as if the Al-Djinn brings an Organization Agent of your choice into play.

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Put a level 20 agent of any organization into play within the Al-Djinn's control zone.

This would mean the Ash Slaves aren't merely copying an Agent's stats, they ARE those Agent's for the purpose of game play.

Humm, yes, I should have said it in my previous post, but it's an errata from the french forum.

Well, not sure why an errata is coming from the French forum and the spanish forums.

Did AS give this correction or was it some random poster?
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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2011, 03:00:46 AM »

If that is the case, then the Azur Agent is useless even when its free.  Roll Eyes

Oh well, stick to Empire Agents and Kerberos' Blood Puppets forever goes unused.
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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2011, 03:11:53 AM »

Well, not sure why an errata is coming from the French forum and the spanish forums.
Did AS give this correction or was it some random poster?

Generally french players post some of their questions on that forum, and some of these questions are transmitted by TenNoBushi to AS. So yes, the rules and errata from the french forum are official.
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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2011, 05:12:31 AM »

Well, not sure why an errata is coming from the French forum and the spanish forums.
Did AS give this correction or was it some random poster?

Generally french players post some of their questions on that forum, and some of these questions are transmitted by TenNoBushi to AS. So yes, the rules and errata from the french forum are official.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, Keberos' blood dolls rule is even more useless now. LOL
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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2011, 05:58:29 AM »

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, Keberos' blood dolls rule is even more useless now. LOL
I'm sincerely sorry if I broke your dreams and hopes about the Azur Agent.  Wink

However, if it is confirmed that an Arbiter can use his Orders on an Ashes Slave, you can still generate Azur Agents with poisoned attacks, then use Opugnis or Terminus while Wolfgang is around.
Plus, if the Al-Djinn isn't far, the enemy may be unable to spend Gnosis point.

Edit : an Arbier can't use his/her Orders on an Ashes Slave.
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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2011, 06:12:01 AM »

But it would need whole army build around nigh useless Azur agents. Hmm if we copy Wolfgang with Al-Djinn will damage from poison quadruple?
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« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2011, 06:18:47 AM »

But it would need whole army build around nigh useless Azur agents. Hmm if we copy Wolfgang with Al-Djinn will damage from poison quadruple?
Nope, you can't be affected more than once by an ongoing Ability with a particular name . Compare with the example in the book - you don't get twice the bonus from two overlapping Blessings.
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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2011, 06:54:02 AM »

Was Sarah Reinhold a preview? Haven't seen anything about her.

She isn't out yet, but her cards and stats have been spoiled already in the Germany forums.  They have been translated here in the Light sub-forum.

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« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2011, 09:16:09 AM »

Thanks for clearing that up  Grin
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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2011, 03:43:35 PM »

A propos recent changes. Zeru mentioned abundance of anti-stealth abilities. Now it seams that more and more characters is getting immunity to poison. I guess that is way to balance appearance of Wolfgang. Only thing that bugs me is the fact that Immunity poison is really issue if you are playing Azur. Other armies rarely have poisonous characters so for them is more like 'meh'. I'm beginning to think that somebody up there don't like Alliance Tongue
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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2011, 08:48:50 PM »

You just noticed that? Azur Alliane has probably been the weakest overall Organization since the Saga 1+2 rulebook came out.  Tongue
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