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« on: April 24, 2012, 11:18:49 AM »

Hi all,

This is my first post of the forum, so please be kind!

I really like the anima tactics models and have played a few small games (150 level points) and am keen to get others playing. I am trying to out together two balanced Church and Samael list to demo the game at a local club. I have not yet look at Advantages, as at this stage I only want to concentrate on the models. Anyway, on to the lists:

Church:
Saint Elienai
Justina
Damian
Xavier
Azriel
Lin Pao

Samael
Kairos
Dark Chesire
Bael
Aoi Inukai
Shinigami Ayl
Tsubasa Kurokami

I think the Church list is more rounded.  However I do have some criticisms
1) I wish I had Nero rather than Xavier as the Sameal list has only one light character, Ayl. At least there are two mystics (Ayl and Bael) for Justina to hunt down.
2) Damian wont shine as the Samael armour is very low.

I think the two lists would be better to play against each other if I tweaked the Sameal list to have either Dinah or Konosuke.  From a Church perspective Konosuke would give Damian a target with high armour. From a Samael perspective Konosuke would make Shinigami Ayl a lot more effective with Mimic Damage. Dinah would add another light character, which would be nice for the Church player to get more from Xavier. On the other hand for Samael she is a good leader that would add valuble support.

What do people think? Are the two list already balanced, or should I change one or both?

What do people think about putting in Dinah or Konosuke? If so which models would they remove to add them?

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 11:27:56 PM »

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1) I wish I had Nero rather than Xavier as the Sameal list has only one light character, Ayl. At least there are two mystics (Ayl and Bael) for Justina to hunt down.
2) Damian wont shine as the Samael armour is very low.
Are you going to play alone with one friend? If so then sure thing you have to made a counter type army. If you're going to play with more people you have to make ballanced generalist list — otherwise, assuming you switch Xavier and Damien for Nero and smth else you risk to face Empire who have only light units, one Mystic at best, and bunch of heavily armoured troops.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2012, 08:52:11 AM »

You know while it is possible to be competitive without a leader you really need a clear advantage for that to work, like a numbers advatange.  This is because Leaders have a built in 20 level discount and even Elienai is more a 85 lvl character then a true 65 level character.  But if you only have following units it should be fine to show off A:T.

But if you can get other units then you could go with the following:

Church: 300 levels.  3 Flyers, 3.5 attackers, 1.5 supporters, 1 targeted attacker, 1 ranged. 1 leader

Saint Elienai
Justina
Saint Hazael
Alis Testarrosa
Azriel
Grey

Samael 295 levels. 3.5 attackers, 1.5 supporters, 1 stealth, 6 ranged attackers, 1 leader.

Dinah
Aoi Inukai
Kairos
Nahimana
Momiji
Dark Cheshire

That should be an interesting match up with Church being able to move over everyone so Samael will need to watch their AP.  But Samael has more Ranged and over all fire power so that they could take down Churches front line.  But then Elienai could swing it the other way with a Possession. 

I've played against similar teams so I know they both have some strengths.  I did avoid the really big and expensive money wise units just in case you are limited in resources and don't want to scary off newbies.

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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2012, 11:23:57 AM »


Both lists look good to me. However there are quite a few models that I don’t yet own in there. I think for the time being I will get Dinah to balance out the Sameal list.

I will see if things pick up in my area.  However it seems difficult to get a game in the UK at the moment!

 

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2012, 11:45:53 AM »

Mind if I ask you what Church or Wanderers you do have?  I like Jiang Pao but more for a swarm or speed bump with the rest of 3 Dragons.  I would highly recommend replacing him with either Grey, Alis, or even Cennette. 

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2012, 01:11:59 PM »


I prefer the model of Grey and Cennette over Alis. Grey may work better as he is 5pts cheaper, allowing me to pay for the Damian/Justina team. Then again I really do like the Cennette model..

The only other wanderers I have is Tsubasa Kurokami, who is a bit expensive.

The only other option I can think of is using an agent?

I have just purchased Dinah. I am looking forward to playing a game with her soon.   

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2012, 01:26:26 PM »


I prefer the model of Grey and Cennette over Alis. Grey may work better as he is 5pts cheaper, allowing me to pay for the Damian/Justina team. Then again I really do like the Cennette model..

The only other wanderers I have is Tsubasa Kurokami, who is a bit expensive.

The only other option I can think of is using an agent?

I have just purchased Dinah. I am looking forward to playing a game with her soon.  



You must be going by the starter rules as in 300 pt games.  In the rulebook (and the free Web Addendum I think), you have 30 extra points just for Advantage cards, 10% of the game level.  Team Justina + Damien is a Plot Card so it can be paid for with those extra points.  Thus you can place Cennette in as still pay for the team card.

Saint Elienai (65)
Justina (45)
Damian (45)
Xavier (50)
Azriel (50)
Cennette (45)

300 levels in characters
30 extra levels for Advantage Cards (Powers, Equipment, Plots, Teams).

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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2012, 01:52:45 PM »

I have actually just brought the rule book (still reading through it!), but was very unclear on that point.  Thank you for clearing it up.

I may go for Cennette as she is a pretty cool model.


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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 02:03:35 PM »

Just to expand the topic a bit, but another player is interested and likes Empire.  I already have Janus Faith and Samiel so it would not be to expensive to get the other four characters. What do people think?

Lilith the Archmage
Lilian Virgil1
Daniella1
Vayl1
Janus Faith
Samiel, the Black Lion
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 05:43:58 PM »

Just to expand the topic a bit, but another player is interested and likes Empire.  I already have Janus Faith and Samiel so it would not be to expensive to get the other four characters. What do people think?

Lilith the Archmage
Lilian Virgil
Daniella
Vayl
Janus Faith
Samiel, the Black Lion


Looks solid as early reports is Lilith is good leader.  Lilian Virgil is a lot of times replaced with Claire Adelheid for more offensive punch. 

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2012, 11:29:52 AM »

I think the Church list is more rounded.  However I do have some criticisms
1) I wish I had Nero rather than Xavier as the Sameal list has only one light character, Ayl. At least there are two mystics (Ayl and Bael) for Justina to hunt down.
2) Damian wont shine as the Samael armour is very low.

I think the two lists would be better to play against each other if I tweaked the Sameal list to have either Dinah or Konosuke.  From a Church perspective Konosuke would give Damian a target with high armour. From a Samael perspective Konosuke would make Shinigami Ayl a lot more effective with Mimic Damage. Dinah would add another light character, which would be nice for the Church player to get more from Xavier. On the other hand for Samael she is a good leader that would add valuble support.

What do people think? Are the two list already balanced, or should I change one or both?

What do people think about putting in Dinah or Konosuke? If so which models would they remove to add them?

Many thanks in advance!

Its good to see a new player takes initiative and shows the game to others.

I ran a lot of demos and I would suggest tonning the game down to 250 points as you still get leaders and the game will be slightly lessminiature heavy which when you play 300 it can get complicated for newer players. I would even say 4 figures is the best setup but you lose the leaders. Of course you can ditch the points and just showcase the game on custom list.

AS for the units. I would not recomend Dinah if you're teaching someone. Basicly because Dinah is the most frustraiting unit to battle agains for a new player. You can either play her well and show how superior range combat is to melee or reclessly and it will turn out that the "so called leader of Samale" is an easy threat. I would go with Ophiel or just no leader.

Your worries with Damien are baseless as Samael has Aoi and she will most likely use her coral ecstasy and this will make Damien extremly effective.

For demo games you have to strive for more cinematic aproach. Eleinai without support with a lot of warriors is very neat because she will die eventualy due to  ressurections. As for your Samael list its a good match your 2 good and 2 mediocre + Lin pao are a good match against 2 good and 2 mediocre samael fighters. Ophiel would make splendid replacement for hmmm kairos/ayl but its your call.

Apart from cinematics you can focus on showing different combat features of anima tactics.
You have Bael which is brilliant for introducing status alliments.]
Aoi is for introducing all range support and Super Unit tactics
Ayl has some fancy but a little bit ineffective ability if you dont have a control bound on her.
Kairos might be a disapointment because he doesnt do anything memorable,  the fox ninja would be better here as in both lists there are no stealth characters.
Dark Cheshire is the poster boy of Samael. All rounder but still powerful and Tsubasa is just awesome.

As for church I think it fits well for a demo as church warriors tend to miss a lot and the Saint can really help here. All of them also have a lot of nifty abilities. Only one hint. I would try to showcase Xavier, Eleinai and Azriel sacreficial powers to establish that in church we have a saying: No pain no gain. If you still think Damien might be out of his league here try swaping Justina for Luzbell. The mirror swap will work wonders as Aoi tends to buff warriors as soon as possible.

Have fun!
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2012, 01:47:21 PM »

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Kairos might be a disapointment because he doesnt do anything memorable,
He can do 3 inch range area attacks. Priceless when you roll 10.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 02:48:53 PM »

Yeah but aiming and dmg is still a problem which will hamper the experiance and there is no Sophia to back Kairos up.

Every roll where you got yourself 10 and the enemy 1 is memorable and Im still waiting for my 4 consecutive chain of blows on Odin against solomon and perfect armor electrocuting strike via Damien. When my Wissenshaft army will be delivered to me I will add to this Feng Yi full combo.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 02:52:55 PM »

The point is that such area attacks can cripple about half of enemy units — they either dodge and spend a bunch of AP or don't dodge and face a risk.
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2012, 02:54:30 PM »

The point is that such area attacks can cripple about half of enemy units — they either dodge and spend a bunch of AP or don't dodge and face a risk.

Geothia missile baragge YES, Kairos NO
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