Vash787
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« on: May 05, 2012, 04:58:17 AM » |
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Well I have another question to ask, and I decided I should just create one thread to start putting all of these in.
One of my players is making a ki user, and he has interpreted ki transmission differently than I have. He thinks that when you transfer it you give them pre-accumulated ki they can use right there and then. I interpreted it as just filling their pool back up. Who is right? Also, how does this ability work now that there is just one big generic ki pool?
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Sharpandpointies
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 05:06:51 AM » |
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They can exchange their points. It says nothing about giving them pre-accumulated Ki, ready for use. Also, from a less rules-oriented perspective, I don't find that makes sense.
You're correct. At least, barring Anima Studios coming in here and saying otherwise, that's how I'd play it.
As for how does it work now, same as before. If someone's total accumulation is 12, they can give 12 Ki every round.
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Also the problem is that every time someone pulls such a combo he gets killed by some kind of Lazarus or such.
- Lizbeth
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FearlessElbow
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 05:40:51 AM » |
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Yeah, as far as I can see, the only reason accumulation comes into Ki Transmission is that the accumulation level sets the maximum Ki that can be transmitted in a round (and I assume you take the lower accumulation value of the two people involved). The Ki that is transferred certainly isn't pre-accumulated. That makes no sense.
I wouldn't say it was just filling their pool up though. I don't see any reason why they couldn't have more Ki than their usual pool as a result of transmission. It's just that when they use that Ki, it only recovers back to their usual level.
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alphawhelp
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 06:11:37 AM » |
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I wouldn't say it was just filling their pool up though. I don't see any reason why they couldn't have more Ki than their usual pool as a result of transmission. It's just that when they use that Ki, it only recovers back to their usual level.
Absolutely not. Otherwise, over the course of several days you could boost someone Else's Ki into the thousands.
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FearlessElbow
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 08:19:27 AM » |
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That's a fair point, although you could rule that Ki above your usual limit disappears if not used within 1 hour. But you're right - there's no way you can allow it to be a ticket to more or less endless Ki.
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Smilingknight
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2012, 09:52:23 AM » |
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Maybe they disappear at a rate of 1 a minute, and cost an LP when they disappear?
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Lizbeth
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2012, 10:45:43 AM » |
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That is totally a house rule.
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Sharpandpointies
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2012, 12:58:13 PM » |
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Given it doesn't say anywhere in the description people can be topped up over their maximum, I personally wouldn't allow it.
Milage may vary.
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Also the problem is that every time someone pulls such a combo he gets killed by some kind of Lazarus or such.
- Lizbeth
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FearlessElbow
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2012, 01:22:44 PM » |
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True, but then Limits in Dominus Exxet don't specify that you reach a maximum either when they give you Ki. If you had a Limit that gives you 30 Ki or whatever in certain circumstances, but you had a full Ki pool when that circumstance arose, would you refuse to allow the Limit to work? Or would you let the numbers go higher than the usual max?
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Vash787
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2012, 01:36:31 PM » |
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Thanks everyone. I don't think I will allow him to go past his pools cap, but the clarification on the main part was much appreciated.
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Sharpandpointies
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2012, 02:47:48 PM » |
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True, but then Limits in Dominus Exxet don't specify that you reach a maximum either when they give you Ki. If you had a Limit that gives you 30 Ki or whatever in certain circumstances, but you had a full Ki pool when that circumstance arose, would you refuse to allow the Limit to work? Or would you let the numbers go higher than the usual max?
That first one, there. 'Limits are special abilities that some individuals have, in certain specific occasions, to awaken their energies and allow them to recover part of the ki they have lost.' Emphasis mine. And again, under Terminus: '...he immediatley recovers 30 points of Ki previously lost.' Again, emphasis mine. Also the constant use of the word 'recovers', such as under Cruor, Agnon, Caelum, Cenobus, Mors, etc. I think it's pretty solidly laid down that a limit allows you to recover lost Ki, not go above your norm. :)
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Also the problem is that every time someone pulls such a combo he gets killed by some kind of Lazarus or such.
- Lizbeth
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Lia Valenth
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2012, 05:54:18 PM » |
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Sharpandpointies is right, according to the rules it just lets them recover Ki, up to their max. If you want to HOUSERULE that it can give more Ki than your max it might work, but adding the limit of losing one Ki above your max every 3 seconds (or faster) would be needed to stop abuse.
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"One who says it can't be done should not interrupt the person doing it"
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FearlessElbow
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2012, 02:37:15 AM » |
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Ok. I missed that part of the definition. Then I bow down and concede the point. I was wrong. It happens... sometimes.
Actually it happens quite a lot.
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Sharpandpointies
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2012, 02:50:33 AM » |
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Ok. I missed that part of the definition. Then I bow down and concede the point. I was wrong. It happens... sometimes.
Actually it happens quite a lot.
*helps up, dusts off* No need for bowing. ^_^ Happens to everyone, for goodness' sake (I've swallowed my own feet up to my knees from time to time). :) It's just that on the internet, many people don't seem to want to admit this. Kudos for not being one of them! :D
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Also the problem is that every time someone pulls such a combo he gets killed by some kind of Lazarus or such.
- Lizbeth
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