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[FearlessElbow]

The "Equipment" Elan Gift from Noah says "This gift puts only the best resources into the characters' hands.  Any device he employs will automatically acquire +10 Quality, as long as the character is using it - be they weapons, paintbrushes, or similar objects.  The ability will not bear any effect upon artifacts with a pre-existent higher bonus."

My question is:  Does this apply to armour or not?

The "into the characters hands" line could just be a turn of phrase, but the fact that it mentions weapons and not armour, and that it talks about employing a device, makes me sceptical.

Just interested to know, really.

[Lizbeth]

I'd say yes. In character's hand is a figure of speech that states ownership.

[The Dread Polack]

LOL, it's probably a good question, given the translation issues.

[Cathar the Great]

My first thought was that it was just a turn of phrase and applies to everything, but re-reading the page on Noah makes me think it really only applies to things you handle with your hands.

Noah values skill. While wearing armor is tiring and people unused to moving with it will suffer negative consequences, it's not really something you can excel at.

Even if it only applies to weapons and tools, it's still a tremendous bonus at relatively "low" Elan.

[FearlessElbow]

Thanks guys.

That's kind of where I was leaning, Cathar.  That it's based on practical, manual skill.

Not entirely clear though, is it?  Seeing as we have differing answers in just these few posts.

Don't know if AS can clarify for certain, but for now I think I'll assume it's just for things you use with your hands.

[Lizbeth]

Wearing armour require skill in Anima. It's Wear Armour

[Spirit_Crusher]

Personally i lean towards including armor, since "in the hands of" can be interpreted as metaphorical as Lizbeth says ("the government is in the hands of the democrats"), and the advantage isn't that great anyway. Nice, not incredible even if applied to armor.

[ilovecheese1]

I've always had it be just the tools that you can manipulate to achieve something. This would include tools, weapons, consoles, machinery, etc.

I agree it's not broken with armor, but I just don't agree with that interpretation based on the wording and the example text.

[Lia Valenth]

I would agree that it does affect armour. It is not broken and makes sense. Anyone who does not believe it requires to use armour effectively does not know how armour works.

[Lizbeth]

and the advantage isn't that great anyway. Nice, not incredible even if applied to armor.

Yep, that's one of the reasons why I think it have to be applied to armour.

[FearlessElbow]

I realise there's an important skill of Wear Armour, but the way the Gift is worded it sounds like it's manual skills, ie stuff you do with your hands.

It's obvious that the description's not clear though, as there seems to be two divided views (which is why I asked the question in the first place).

We'll have to hope AS can clarify at some point.

[vytzka]

Could someone with a Spanish/French book shed some light as to the wording?

I'm leaning towards "figure of speech" interpretation (i.e. works with armor) but this is very sensitive to phrasing changes.

[EVILrokzz]

Wow, this brings me back to the first time I got the Core book

We argued if "Equipment" applied to Thrown weapons. For example, if you have a rock it's a +10 Quality rock... but when you throw it, it becomes an ordinary rock since it is no longer specifically in your hands
Well, needless to say it sounded pretty stupid as well as this talk with one of my players:
Player: Does this apply to armor?
Me: No, only things you use with your hands.
Player: Ok, then with my free hand I touch my armor.
Me: ...
It went on like this and I changed my mind to "Applies to any equipped object... even your underpants"

Also, compared to the Tao, Mentalist and Wizard - the Weaponmaster with Elan REALLY needed something to balance out with them. What good is LP when someone cuts you up with air?

At any rate, regardless of the official ruling I interpret it as "Applies to any equipped object"

NOTE: The clothes under the armor don't get the bonus. Reason? Noah likes Armor and Weapons - clothes are for... well...

[Lagnalok]

NOTE: The clothes under the armor don't get the bonus. Reason? Noah likes Armor and Weapons - clothes are for... well...

Well, cloths are not armor but general objects, so a +10 quality dosn't give them any AT bonus

Same as how +10 chopsticks or a +10 brush dosn't get the - 2 AT or +20 damage bonus for weapons 

[FearlessElbow]

NOTE: The clothes under the armor don't get the bonus. Reason? Noah likes Armor and Weapons - clothes are for... well...

Well, cloths are not armor but general objects, so a +10 quality dosn't give them any AT bonus

Same as how +10 chopsticks or a +10 brush dosn't get the - 2 AT or +20 damage bonus for weapons 

Unless you have the module for Improvised Weapons, in which case attacking with a +10 toothbrush would be awesome.