File at printers?

[Napar]

I can't find or remember which post it was but they said the the file would be off to the printers at the end of the week/first of the next week.  That was around or over two weeks ago, I was just wondering if this had happened?  Anyone know?

Thanks

[mathieut]

That was here, and I too wouldn't mind knowing if that deadline was met.

[bork da basher]

id really appreciate a decent ETA on the rulebook. were nearly 4 months late with it and would think the fans are owed at least some clue to when it could be expected even if its as vague as "in a month or latest 2-3 months" etc

silence just makes me nuts 

[Medusa]

Thumbs up! I wait for the book too. Getting paranoia, because I waited for the book when Asmodee made the game some years ago. Hope, Cipher won´t do the same mistakes like the french guys. You got a real good product there so please don´t let it die before it started...

[Phalanx]

I'm happy of the delay
I'm not crazy, but I know that our effort in finding the errors in the cards, probably forced CS to edit the manual.
If i've to wait more and have a better product i'm happy.

If you want to play, you have all the tools to do it (quick start rules, reference cards, old asmodee english free rules)

[Liancour]

There's a huge work on the rulebook to remove as much mistakes as possible and to clarify a lot of issue they were previously in the game.

[mathieut]

I'm not crazy, but I know that our effort in finding the errors in the cards, probably forced CS to edit the manual.
If i've to wait more and have a better product i'm happy.

Well yeah, but CS had already been claiming (condescendingly at times) they'd put a huge amount of work on translating, proofreading, and editing the rulebook to make it perfect, and every single of the (numerous) mistakes that were found are typical of a product that just was barely/poorly proofread. This already happened with the AT book: it took years to release and yet it was very far from flawless... All these mistake-ridden previews, unkept promises, and general lack of communication make me fear it's going to be an AT situation all over again, and a game with a much smaller footprint (cf. TGN monthly polls) than it deserves.

If you want to play, you have all the tools to do it (quick start rules, reference cards, old asmodee english free rules)

The quick start rules are incomplete and based on a version of the rules that was still poorly translated at the time, the available reference cards cover a tiny number of models, and the old rules obsolete. Besides this whole "if you want to play the material is available" argument was valid a couple of weeks after the game first released in French. The rules were translated in English, as was all the information on the cards not covered in the core rules. It didn't exactly help the game soar internationally, did it? Gamers clearly don't like to make that kind of effort... Asmodée learned it the hard way, and if CS continues relying on that "available material" to keep the existing community waiting and start building upon it, they are replicating a huge mistake.

[Phalanx]

I understand your point and your disappoint.

I know that if CS wants to promote HD, is madatory to publish a manual asap, but I'm italian, I'm used to translate by myself (with my gaming community) manuals, profiles, and other gaming aids from english and french, even if my knowledge of french is very poor.
we have now the italian version of the french manual, the errata 10, the immortal rules, the 1635 profiles, and the CS profiles.
so my question is : why an italian guy with poor englihs and french, can play helldorado with this stuff and a french or english guy cannot?
of course we're talking about playing and not selling or promoting a game.

I understand that, the "time to market" can be critical, and that is important to communicate with customers, but I also understand that, CS is a small company that works hard to give us HD, that's why  I'm not complaing if the rulebook is delayed

[fishstick3000]

I understand your point and your disappoint.

I know that if CS wants to promote HD, is madatory to publish a manual asap, but I'm italian, I'm used to translate by myself (with my gaming community) manuals, profiles, and other gaming aids from english and french, even if my knowledge of french is very poor.
we have now the italian version of the french manual, the errata 10, the immortal rules, the 1635 profiles, and the CS profiles.
so my question is : why an italian guy with poor englihs and french, can play helldorado with this stuff and a french or english guy cannot?
of course we're talking about playing and not selling or promoting a game.

I understand that, the "time to market" can be critical, and that is important to communicate with customers, but I also understand that, CS is a small company that works hard to give us HD, that's why  I'm not complaing if the rulebook is delayed

I agree it is pretty sad that us English speakers especially us Americans are not very good at speaking other languages, or our own for that matter, but it is true there are plenty of ways to find out the rules online if you search hard enough.

I think I'm more impatient for new models to come out, than the rule book.  It's harder to find the figures over here than it is in Europe  without spending a lot of money 

[osore]

I understand your point and your disappoint.

I know that if CS wants to promote HD, is madatory to publish a manual asap, but I'm italian, I'm used to translate by myself (with my gaming community) manuals, profiles, and other gaming aids from english and french, even if my knowledge of french is very poor.
we have now the italian version of the french manual, the errata 10, the immortal rules, the 1635 profiles, and the CS profiles.
so my question is : why an italian guy with poor englihs and french, can play helldorado with this stuff and a french or english guy cannot?
of course we're talking about playing and not selling or promoting a game.

I understand that, the "time to market" can be critical, and that is important to communicate with customers, but I also understand that, CS is a small company that works hard to give us HD, that's why  I'm not complaing if the rulebook is delayed

I agree it is pretty sad that us English speakers especially us Americans are not very good at speaking other languages, or our own for that matter, but it is true there are plenty of ways to find out the rules online if you search hard enough.

I think I'm more impatient for new models to come out, than the rule book.  It's harder to find the figures over here than it is in Europe  without spending a lot of money 

I can echo many of the sentiments already expressed but I will try to add something too. The rules are available but many Americans want the books in hand and are skeptics after Confrontation (at least locally that is our situation). We have been playing this game weekly and hope that it is continuing along. As a sign of "new" figs, many stores have the next wave or two of releases up for pre-order, which means that distributors/Cipher are making that info available. I hope that they can continue, hell Alkemy just came back into existence! This game has a lot of great attributes going for it and should find its market, if given the chance to live.

[Mahrdol]

I am concerned too.  It looks like the release schedule is 2 months behind...I haven't see any of these out yet.

February 2011

•Infernal Ambassador HD1004 $10.99
•Retiarius HD3004 $15.99
•Lemure Pack B HD4002 $9.99
•Thirty Coins HD5002 $10.99
•Dibukkim HD6005 $11.99
•Blades for Hire HD7005 $11.99

March 2011

•Great Damned One of Wrath HD1005 $27.99
•Saurav Geet HD3005 $10.99
•Blessed Warriors HD6006 $11.99
•Sara Zingaresce, includes 2 lemures HD7006 $13.99
•Blade Master, Hybrid HD2004 $10.99

[SirAngry]

I understand your point and your disappoint.

I know that if CS wants to promote HD, is madatory to publish a manual asap, but I'm italian, I'm used to translate by myself (with my gaming community) manuals, profiles, and other gaming aids from english and french, even if my knowledge of french is very poor.
we have now the italian version of the french manual, the errata 10, the immortal rules, the 1635 profiles, and the CS profiles.
so my question is : why an italian guy with poor englihs and french, can play helldorado with this stuff and a french or english guy cannot?
of course we're talking about playing and not selling or promoting a game.

I understand that, the "time to market" can be critical, and that is important to communicate with customers, but I also understand that, CS is a small company that works hard to give us HD, that's why  I'm not complaing if the rulebook is delayed

You know while I agree and the diehard fans are playing it and finding ways to muddle through. However many English speakers have a wealth of games out there that aren't as much of a struggle or effort to engage with. So they go down the path of least resistance. We all know that Hell Dorado is a great game BUT without those official rulebooks others who don't feel the need to put that effort in won't. Its also a sign that a game is at least here to stay and that gives people confidence to invest in it.

[tssfulk]

I just ordered a Great Damned of Wraith.  

Edit: Shoot, I quoted the wrong message.

[mathieut]

so my question is : why an italian guy with poor englihs and french, can play helldorado with this stuff and a french or english guy cannot?
of course we're talking about playing and not selling or promoting a game.

Hey I'm not disagreeing on that . If someone is motivated, they will find the time and energy to figure out the rules regardless of the language they are in. But having two players with that kind of commitment is already a lot more difficult, and getting a small gaming group definitely is a challenge. I actually was motivated enough by HD back when it came out to try and get people to play it locally. Despite having a French speaking dude on site, an English translation of the rules, and for quite a few people a strong interest in the models and in the fluff, nobody picked it up. And I know for a fact that not having an English rulebook was the sole reason.

Unfortunately, selling and promoting is what matters here.

[Phalanx]

Unfortunately, selling and promoting is what matters here.

I sadly agreee